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We give a 2 year written genetic health guarantee with our pups.
Additional Puppy Info: _____________________________________________ ________________________________________ Payment Options ____________________________________ Male ____________________________________________ Heterosis Effect is the correct term for intential crossbreeding. Purebreds and inbreeds often carry genetic disease. Heterosis is a theory, where the phenomenon of crossing two inbred lines can produce descendants with superior genetic foundation. In addition to the absence of inbreeding depressing, present in inbreed and purebred dogs in general, there is some remote inbreeding in any breed. Heterosis is also produced by over dominance, i.e. better combined function of two diverse genes (alleles) on a gene site (locus), compared to two identical (but harmless) ones. This increased health and vigor does not create a superior breed, but the advantages obtained from it are what produce hybrid vigor. This goal in this scenario is not to create a new breed, but to create a happy and healthy pet. Heterosis effect results in a healthier, more vigorous dog with a reduced chance of genetic disease. It is well known in all domestic animal breeding, hybrids, 50%-50% mixes of two different breeds, will raise the chances of having less genetic diseases because all doubling of detrimental effects will stop in the first generation. The genetic term for this is HETEROSIS EFFECT. This effect often gives non-related individuals stronger descendants than inbreeds.
Started Pups
We have started pups on occasion. A started pup is a puppy greater than 8 weeks of age and is in a training program. We will occasionally keep pups to test our lineage in both field and obedience. Our pups are for sale at any point in our training program.
Male vs Female
Listed are some of the differences that we have noticed and researched on the difference of sex. This list is a generalization. This does not mean that the below is true for all females and all males.
Female
Why Crossbreeds?
For centuries, people such as farmers, horticulturists and breeders have learned that by breeding or pollinating one type or breed to another, will result in a healthier, hardier and in most cases a more beautiful creature. I have experienced this first hand growing up on the farm. We always had better meat from our hogs and better producing cows when we crossbred. The outcome is about the same with dogs (not for meat or milk). You get the best of both breeds, and diminish any negative traits from either breed increasing health and integrity. So to put in english you have a dog that is healther; bigger gene pool makes it less likely for genetic health problems, hardier; more resistant to illness and diseases like allergies and cancer. Often these crossbreeds learn more quickly and are smarter than the parent dog.
Crossbreeding is not just putting dog A with dob B. It is as exact of a science as with creating the next champion dog. Our crossbreeds are carefully planned breedings. They are based on a close study of health, temperament and standard of each potential parent animal and subsequent offspring for several generations. To us crossbreeding requires the study and knowledge of the pure breeds being used and close record keeping of the puppies produced from each breeding. Any breeder who is not breeding for these purposes is not responsible.
Hybrid Vigor- how wonderful it would be if the simple act of just cross-breeding any two pure-bred dogs could automatically ensure hybrid vigor. Hybrid Vigor is a misleading and incorrect term. A Hybrid is the crossing of two different species, ie horse + donkey = mule, lion + tiger = liger, domestic dog + wolf= wolf hybrid etc. ...
But crossbreeding cannot be done just based on the heterosis effect alone....
Carefully planned breedings should be based on a meticulous study of health and personality histories for several generations. Cross-breeding requires in depth knowledge of the pure breeds being used and a constant study of the resulting puppies. Anything less is not responsible.
And after our pedigree research is satisfatory we have to be sure the match is right. That our dogs not only have close personalities but that our dogs compliment each other to create a better next generation dog. By matching our dogs based on the above factors we can get a good idea as to what the offspring will be like. We are seeing a rise in so called breeders crossing any breed to any breed based soley on the heterosis effect. The purebred parents must compliment each other to create the 'better, happier & healthy' pet.
Aren't crossbreeds just muts? A mut is defined by a dog with unknown parent history and could possibly have multiple breeds within it's history making it dificult to determine size, coat and charater of the dog.
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My definition of a Puppy Mill is 
papered or not papered puppies being bred by the tens of thousands,
many living in a hellish world of filthy, crowded cages.
papered or not papered puppies being bred by the tens of thousands,many living in a hellish world of filthy, crowded cages.They are "puppy mill" puppies
when the puppies survive without major health defects, the puppy-mill system is a cruel one, treating
dogs like farm livestock.
Don't buy a puppy from a pet shop!!! Buying from pet shops supports puppy mills by increasing the
demand. When you are ready to buy a puppy, find a responsible breeder
Puppy Mill?
Within reason, the number of dogs kept can not alone determine if
someone is a puppy mill. Some people can love and take excellent care
of ten dogs while someone else can not properly care for one.
Some people insinuate if a person is not showing their dog they are a puppy mill.
This is not true. Some people have never shown their dogs
or have shown in the past, produced champions and top producers and just
quit showing. They breed for the pure joy and challenge of producing
beautiful puppies, striving for each generation to be better than the
last. They have that picture of the 'perfect dog' in their head too and
want to produce it.
Many breeders have formed cliques, circles of friends. They pass
their own judgement of other breeders, often when they know little or
nothing about them. They can be very quick to criticize the non-show person,
judging and denouncing them as a puppy mill. When in fact, they may have
better quality puppies and take better care of them.
Do not listen to ill winded people. Be intelligent. Be alert. You
know when an enviornment is clean; when puppies and adults are clean,
groomed and well mannered. It doesn't take a person active in the showring
to study pedigrees and health issues, to be honest and caring.
Spend a little time talking to a breeder and don't be so quick to
criticize till you know the facts. Who knows, you may make a good
long-lasting friendship and come to appreciate each other. An open mind
is always more likely to find the truth than a closed one.
10 REASONS NOT TO BUY FROM A PET SHOP OR PUPPY MILL!
1. That adorable puppy in the pet store is hard to resist, but you may be paying a lot of money for a dog that you know little about. Pet stores generally rely on impulse buys to sell their "product". There is a good chance that the pet store puppy will develop a health problem sometime in its life that may cost you a lot of money to remedy. When you buy a pet store puppy it is very unlikely that the puppy's parents were screened for genetic diseases that can be passed to their offspring. Every breed of dog has genetic problems that are passed from generation to generation by breeding dogs that carry the flawed gene. Most good breeders are more concerned about the health of the puppies that they are producing than the money that they will or won't make on the production of a litter.
2. The myth about AKC papers
Most pet shops would like you to believe that if a puppy is registered by the American Kennel Club, this guarantees the puppy will be healthy and a good example of the breed. This is not so. The only thing that AKC papers certify is that the puppy is a purebred and produced out of AKC registered parents. Even this can be fiction, as some producers register more puppies than are actually born in each litter to receive extra registration slips to pass out with unregisterable puppies. They may also be horrible representations of the breed that you are buying. Often times the parentage of pet store puppies is also questionable due to poor record keeping. In other words, your puppy may not even be a purebred, even though it has AKC papers. Responsible breeders do register their puppies with the AKC, but that is only the beginning.
3. The pet shop guarantee
Many pet stores provide a form of guarantee for people buying puppies from them, but their guarantees may be as bad as none at all.
4. What will that puppy look like when it is full grown?
You may have seen specimens of the breed that you are buying, but this does not guarantee that this puppy will fit the breed standard. There is no perfect dog, but a good breeder will be willing to discuss the faults and strengths that each of their dogs possesses. Even then you can not tell exactly what the puppy will look like, but you will have a much better idea of what to expect.
5. What do you know about the breed?
Employees of pet stores generally know very little about the dogs that are in the store. Good breeders are full of information about the breed of puppy that you are considering. They will also be able to warn you about specific health problems that the breed is prone to and will be able to tell you what aspects the breed excels in. There is no breed of dog perfect for every person and a good breeder is concerned that their puppy goes to a home that they will fit into.
6. Housebreaking and training problems
This puppy that you are buying from a pet store has most likely spent much of its life in a cage. Many pet store puppies have never seen carpet and may never have even seen grass or dirt. Due to the conditions that puppies are kept in at pet stores, they have been forced to eliminate in the same area that they sleep and eat. This goes against the dog's natural instinct, but your puppy has had no choice. This habit may make housebreaking your puppy much more difficult. A good breeder keeps the puppy area very clean and makes sure the puppy has a separate elimination area. It can be much more difficult to teach a pet store puppy these daily exercises than a puppy that has been brought up properly. Most pet store puppies' parents have not been selected for any reason other than they can produce puppies that sell as cute "purebreds" registered by the AKC.
7. How about Socialization?
Your pet store puppy may well have never been in a house before. If this is the case then everything will be new and scary for them. Good breeders will expose their puppies to many situations so that the puppies are used to them by the time that they go to their new homes. A good breeder will know, due to hours of observation, which puppies are dominant and which are shy, which are energetic and which are easy going. Then the breeder will be able to match the puppy to the new owner and make sure that energetic pups go to active families and that shy puppies go to a home that can help them overcome their insecurity. Good breeders can help you make an educated decision about all aspects of your puppy's feeding, training and overall maintenance and care based on your family situation. If you are going to spend so much money on a dog that you plan to keep for its lifetime, why not find one that will fit into your lifestyle well?
8. What is a pedigree worth?
Some pet shops make a big deal out of their puppies' pedigrees. This is interesting, as the pedigree is really just a piece of paper with names on it. Unless you know the dogs behind those names the pedigree is really quite useless to the new owner. Can the pet store tell you what your puppies grand- parents died of, or how long they lived? Most pet store employees do not know any more about your puppy's background than you do. A reputable breeder can tell you all of this information about your pup's family tree and more.
9. Do you want to support puppy mills?
Almost all puppies that are in pet stores come from puppy mills. These operations are exactly what the name implies. Most mass produce puppies with money as the prime motive. Their breeding dogs are often kept in very poor conditions and are sometimes malnourished. The dogs are almost never tested for genetic diseases and may not receive vaccinations. Females are generally bred every heat cycle until they are worn out and then they are often sentenced to death. The horror of puppy mills is encouraged every time a puppy is bought from a puppy store.
How do you know that your puppy comes from one of these places? The main reason is that almost no responsible breeders will sell puppies to pet stores. Good breeders want to make sure that their puppies go to good homes and are well cared for. Buying from a pet store does not mean that you will save any money in the purchase price of the puppy either. When you buy from a reputable breeder there is no middle man involved who wants to take his share of the profit out of the price of the puppy. Often the price that good breeders charge is no more, and sometimes less, than what you will pay buying a puppy from a pet store.
10. After the puppy goes home
Once you take the puppy home from the pet store they do not generally care what happens to the puppy. Most pet shops do not care if the dog is left to run loose and kill livestock, or if it dies of liver disease at one year old. Most do not care if you take your dog home and breed it continually. Responsible breeders are more than people who sell puppies, they will also be good friends to you and your puppy. They care what happens to their puppies' once they are sold. Almost all good breeders sell on spay/neuter contracts or limited registration. Some breeders sell show quality puppies on co-ownership, so that they retain a portion of the dog's ownership, for better control of what happens to their dog later in it's life. If you have a health or training problem a good breeder will generally be able to offer you advice and help you through the ordeal. Most reputable breeder care about each of their puppies' futures and will be concerned about their welfare. They care not only about their own dogs, but also the impact their dogs will make on the breed as a whole.
So please next time you are looking for a new puppy to buy, do your research.
Hypo-Allergenic
There are many breeds that will claim their dogs to be hypo-allergenic.
Fact: nothing is completely hypo-allergenic. Any doctor will confirm that a persons tolerance to allergens is as individual as he/she is. While our schnauzers and schnoodles have been specially bred for low dander non-shedding coats and are successfully placed in families with allergies, no dog in itself is hypo-allergenic.
Puppy Socialization
We put a lot of time and energy in making sure our pups are well socialized.
For the first two weeks, we only handle the pups when necessary; i.e. weighing, pics, tail & dew removal and bedding changes.
It is important for the dam to recognizer her pups and create her strong bond. It is also important to keep the dam relaxed. Disturbing her den and countineuous handling of her offspring is stressfull to the dams whether we notice it or not. If the dam is happy, then the pups will be happy.
At 14 days the eyes are opened and ears are starting to open. At this age sight limited. Basic shadows is all they can really see. They can also hear but it is not as acute as an adult.
At 2 weeks I will start to observe the pups. I let them crawl on me and I get to know each personality and start to take characteristic notes.
At 3 weeks I will start pack introductions and allow the rest of the family to quietly come and sit in the whelping rooms. This step introduces new scents to creat curiousity without loud noises. If the pups become frightened, it will set their development back. We have found that this step starts to develope their selve confidence. Food is introduced.
At 4 weeks we start letting the pups explore out of the den. We bring in new scents to think about. We also start adapting them to new surroundings. We start taking them outdoors (weather permiting) at this age.
At 5 & 6wks we introduce them to all sorts of toys to play with. We also bring in new obsticals to crawl through, over and under for. We also start some basic training at this age; sit and fetch. Our training is nothing serious. To them it's another game to play. We also introduce gun shots at this time. At 6wks most of the pups just love to be outside and it will become our daily workout to get them all back inside. The pups will get their first introduction to the vet's office and their first official health exam.
At 7wks the pups are just about completely weaned. Our experienced dams will wean their pups without interuptions from us. At this age most of the pups have already gotten the hang of going outside to use the bathroom. The pups are now able to keep up to a slow walk so we start lettting the pups run and play on the trails.
At 8wks the pups are pretty much going out on their own to go to the bathroom. Most have acheived basic commands. Most of them know the retrieve, the one's that don't, they get the idea and just need a few more lessons. At this age they are well adjusted to other dogs, cats and children. At this age, they are ready for new homes.
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Can over vaccinating harm my dog? All of our research has paid off. Our dogs are genetically sound in both mind and body. They are exceptional hunters. They do well in new situations. Most importantly they are great family companions.
Vaccinations as the experts say are necessary. But new research has proven that vaccinations are not necessary for pet health.
Fact. Vaccines have been linked to auto-immune disease and allergies. Vaccines may also be linked to the rise in cancer.
Fact. Weimaraners are on the auto-immune difficient list. More and more purebred dogs are added to this list every year.
Vaccines are important in preventing some diseases that still occur today. The 3 most common are Canine Parvovirus, Canine Distemper and Rabies.
When puppies are born their immune systems are not mature enough to make antibodies until approximately 8 to 12 weeks of age. Nature provides for temporary immunity in the form of colostrum, which is very rich in antibodies. Babies who fail to suckle colostrum in the first few days of life will be extremeley susceptible to disease until their own immune systme matures and makes their own antibodies.
Early weaning can leave pups vulnerable to disease and early vaccinations can also be harmful to young pups.
The below is the vaccination schedule that we follow:
8, 12, 16wks - Distemper, Parvovirus, Parainfluenza & Hepatitis
14wks- Rabies (check your state regulation. MN is at least 12wks). Leave 2wks between shots.
1st Year- Distemper, Parvovirus, Parainfluenza & Hepatitis.
2nd Year-Parvovirus
3rd year- Distemper
Repeat.
Rabies is a seperate schedule according to state regulations. It is best to leave 2 weeks between the rabies shots and the other booster to prevent vaccine reactions.
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The Importance of Genetics
Genes are one of the most important factors that we strive for in our breeding program. We put alot of training, expense and time into our dogs so we do all that we can to ensure that are pups are of sound genetics before we purchase.
It can take us months or even a year to search for the right dog. More importantly we search for a good breeder. A breeder, like myself, that will strive for breed health and integrity. One who uses the breed as it is intended for, is breed knowledgeable and can easily answer my questions. A good breeder will know their own dogs inside and out and will have in depth knowledge of the pedigrees they use. Listed are some questions that we ask all breeders:
We have owned most of the dogs on our pedigrees. The dogs we don't own we know personally and have worked and hunted with.
Our genetic research started when we purchased our first pup. We did everything that we thought we were supposed to do; OFA, hip, elbow and eye certified dogs, hunters, well socialized and of coarse health guarantee (only 1 year, though).
At 18mos of age a limp started. Followed by slowness to rise and lay down. Then not wanting to climb stairs or inclines. Long story short, vet report came back with an early stage of hip dysplasia. We were devistated. We had already invested lots of time and money into the training, now all for nothing. Of course the surgery would be expensive and the stress of hunting and working would be to much.
It's just my luck that the guarantee is up. But the parents were OFA good and excellent. How could my dog be dysplastic? So...
The breeder was contacted and through many calls it was discovered that there were many instances throughout the pedigree of hip problems.
What did we learn? Just because the parents are certified doesn't mean that it is not in the lineage. If it's in the pedigree there is that chance that it could surface again in future generations.
Of course a suitable home was found for our fury friend. She lived out her days with her new family and lived to be 12.
___________________________________________ ____________________________________________ There are more and more websites that are ranking dog foods. I must caution you, these analysis are based only on "opinion" and not in science or actual knowledge of small animal clinical nutrition or knowledge of the pet food industry. These so called rankings are based on pet food labels, and label on a bag only gives you 50% of the information - at best. These rankings on the internet are only based on the opinions of those who have an "interest" in animal nutrition. In order to have even a close assessment of the quality of any pet food, one must run lab analysis of these each of the foods, do extensive feed trials, know where the sources of ingredients come from, the history of the company, what manufacturing plant it is made in, and it's history (fines, recalls, age of manufacturing equipment, quality control etc.), and numerous other factors that effect the products being made. To understand more on the ingredients that go into your pet food, start with Sabine Conterres's website www.TheDogFoodProject.com she is not going to tell you "you need to feed this food" nor will she rank them. She will educate you about ingredients and discuss internet myths about this industry and let you draw your own educated conclusions. The use of corn in dog food is the current hot topic. Lately it has been advertised as a ‘cheap filler food’. This bad publicity is due manly to the lesser dog food company who uses corn as a source of protein rather than as a carbohydrate. Corn, when cooked properly a good source of energy for a working dog. Corn has more fiber than rice so larger (not more) stools may be observed. We prefer using corn as a carb over rice. Our dogs have better muscle tone and more stamina on corn vs other carbohydrate sources, especially during the cold months. We feed our dogs less with corn as a carbohydrate source and the dogs maintain a richer coat color. Another issue is the advent of many new no grain foods. Grain free does not mean the food does not have carbohydrates, it just means they are generally using potatoes and sweet potatoes for their carbohydrate component. These diets are not recommended for growth and cannot recommend this type of food for working dogs. These feeds do not agree with some dogs. We feed our dogs Eagle Pack Dog foods. We use the Original Adult (Small Bite for the mini’s) formula on most of our crew. Some of our dogs use the Power Pack. Our small breed puppies stay on the Small Bite formula along with their parents and our large breed puppies use the Natural formula. We also supplement lean meats into their kongs and as treats. In addition to a super premium kibble we also add: Probiotics, prebiotics and enzymes are a new thing to some dog food companies. Eagle Pack was the first to use Probiotics and enzymes in their foods 20 years ago. Unfortunatley as food is exposed to the elements of shipping and sitting on the shelf some of these digestive supplements are lost. We use Probios for the beneficial bacteria and Longevity for the enzymes. Longevity: See www.springtimeinc.com for more info on this. Back Pack Plus is another great product that we love for digestion. We also love their granules, Ox E Drops and Antioxidant treats. Learn more on this company at www.nzymes.com Omega 3-6-9 suppliments are also giving to our working crew daily. There is lots of info floating around on this subject. There needs to be a mix of all three of the omegas for ideal health. We prefer the soft gels to the liquid. The liquid seems to go rancid quite fast. We prefer the soft gels from Springtime Inc. Their omegas have a good mix of omegas from different plant and animal sources at a very reasonable price. Bug Off Garlic is how we keep summer pests from our dogs. It is all natural and the dogs love it. It costs much less than the traditional chemical medications and we do not have to worry about poisoning our dogs, kids and our environment. Learn more on this through Springtime Inc. This is the criteria I use to list dog food brands on my site. This list is also a work in progress, it is not all inclusive as new foods come out all the time, I like to see a solid 3 year history on performance before it goes on the list. I will remove foods for factors which can involve recalls, changes in sourcing, products from overseas or changes in manufacturing plants. I also look at the ethics and mission of the company and if that changes it will affect the list. Holistic Select- no recalls 100% safety record, great holistic line-multiple meat meal sources. NutriSource- MN Family company, updated foods, owns plant-impressed with improvements, fed out well in my feed trials- no recalls 100% safety record ,Super Premium Lineup. If we switch feed, we will use this one. Life Abundance- owned by Dr. Jane Bicks-Great products but expensive to feed-market slogan for breeders to make money selling to puppy buyers- found spam email annoying. ______________________________
Why we microchip all of our puppies free of charge.
Accidents happen, and in a busy household, can happen frequently. While the first time may end quickly and painlessly, a child, or unwary visitors open the door and Barko runs free, only to be found at the next door neighbor's front yard, what about the second time? Or the third? What if you weren't home when Barko made his bid for freedom? What if he had already been gone for hours by the time you realized it?
My dog has a collar tag so why should it be microchipped?
By law all dogs have to wear a collar with a tag showing its owner's name and address. But collars can break, identification tags fall off and get lost. Microchips identify your pet permanently and harmlessly.
Can a tattoo be as effective as a microchip?
Tattooing is a painful way to identify your pet. Tattoos will fade over time making re-inking a must. Some states have already out-lawed the act of tattooing animals. The most effective way to tatto an animal is on the inner thigh. There are many cases of stolen dogs and other animals having the ears cut off to erase ownership.
A microchip is recommended as an effective way of permanently linking pets to their owners, increasing the chances of them being reunited if the animal is lost, stolen or strays.
Thousands of pets are lost every year and many are never reunited with their owners. The best way to ensure a lost pet is found is to have it microchipped - implanted with a special microchip tag.
1 in 3 lost pets never return home. Most shelters on average hold a lost pet for 7 days. After that the animal is put up for adoption, given to rescue organizations or euthanized.
How does microchipping work?
Once an animal has been microchipped it has its own unique code number. The owner's details and the code are put on to the national PetLog database. If a lost or stolen animal is found, the code will be revealed by passing a scanner over the microchip. Then it's just a matter of matching the code with the PetLog database.
How can microchipping help find my dog?
The PetLog scheme provides a fast, fool-proof way of identifying your dog, wherever it is found. Many animal welfare organisations, vets and dog wardens, have scanners which can read the microchip's details.
Why should I worry about losing my pet?
Even the most reliable and well-cared for animal can get lost or stolen. Home-loving pets are most at risk because they don't know their way around the local area.
We use avid microchips in all of our dogs and puppies.
Food and Nutrition
In short, it is simply impossible for anyone, myself included, to know exactly what is going into your pet's foods. What you read on a label is only 50% of the picture and like most things in life, nothing is black and white. This means in order to have even a close assessment of a product you not only need a vast amount of knowledge about animal nutrition, it also means you need to be involved in and understand the pet food industry itself.
Some companies seem to be on the right track, but they are new and have no longevity, nor do they have long term feed trials for growth on giant breeds. We do not carry giant breeds but weimaraners do have a lot of the same bone growth diseases associated with giant breeds. Slow and even growth is the key.
It is very important that you use a comprehensive feed program, because there is no food on the market that is 100%complete regardless of what the bag may say.
Diatomaceaous Earth (D.E.)—D.E. is made of the fossils of freshwater organisms and crushed to a fine powder. D.E. is deadly to external and internal pests. D.E. scratches the insect’s/ worms waxy shell, eventually causing death by dehydration. It is completely safe and harmless to the pet and environment. We use it a dusting powder on the dogs and around the kennels and we give it in our dogs food daily for internal parisits. We have gotten away from traditional wormers due to the effect it has on the pet and internal parasites are building resistance to traditional wormers. We also use D.E. in the garden. We purchase our D.E. through www.revivalanimal.com.
Eagle Pack- no recalls, 100% safety record, multiple meat meal sources- great results for working dogs—we currently use this one.
Precise and Precise plus-no recalls, and plant, great holistic line, 100% safety record.
Pure Vita- update foods owns plant I am impressed with this holistic line - feed well in my feed trials- no recalls- 100% safety record.
Planet Organics- Organic product feed out well in my feed trials- no recalls -100% safety record
Natural Parasite Control
Currently cancer is the #1 cause of all non-accidental dog deaths. Cancer and our children are why we did our homework and use only natural products to repel parasites on our dogs.
Sprays, dips, drops and collars all leave the chemical sitting on the skin/coat of the dog where it is exposed to our children.
Pills are ingested but this does not repel the flys and ticks so another product would have to be used. Is using chemicals a healthy choice for our pets?
Chemicals to repel parasites can also cause allergic reactions, sickness or death.
Have you ever wondered why we give these chemicals to our dogs but at the same time these products are toxic to humans? Dogs are much more sensative to chemicals than we, the humans are. Each year there are more cases of reactions, sickness and death but these products are still being used.
We use only natural and holistic products to combat parasites on our canine friends. These products are all natural, safe for our pets and they will not harm the humans either. They are even much more economical than chemicals. Website and more information on the products we use are included in our puppy packet.
